An Important Clarification from this website

I would like to clarify a few things with everyone. This is not a website to promote hatred or violence against anyone regardless of what they believe. This is a website that has been setup by a few people who are concerned about the parchaar of Nidar Singh and his websites and seek to inform the sangat of what he actually believes so that they can make the decision for themselves whether they want to or want to let their kids attend Nidar’s Classes or not.

I would like to reiterate that I am in no way against Nihangs in general, I accept they have their practices and seeing this excommunication letter, seeing that the Nihangs also reject Nidars way of thinking legitimised the purpose of this website. We have Nihangs of the Budha Dal backing our website who are also unhappy with the misrepresentation of Nihang ideology. So His students attempts to make out that this website is attacking Nihangs is baseless. Actually this website was privately created, funded, maintained, sourced, approved and backed by Nihangs. AKAAAAALLLLLLL!!!!!!

Some of Nidars students recently have started to contact me and spread rumours about Baba Joginder Singh ji, the respected Jathedar of the Budha Dal. I think this is not good conduct.

Our goal is not to cause Nidar or his students or any of their families any harm. Many people on both sides have been aggressive and out of line, one side saying they want to get Nidar and Nidars students saying they will defend their Gurdev’s honour. It’s all very macho but the only aim of this website is to create a dialogue and create awareness.

At the end of the day those who want to continue learning from him can do, I think they should be allowed to. A friend of mine a very old student of Nidar came to see me yesterday, he is a good old friend and we talked about these issues. He supports me and we agreed on some things but disagreed on other things. But we still sat together and got our work done and talked about family and other things. I know I can be direct in my tone but that’s because I am a passionate person and it’s just the way I was made, but I am not in any way unfair or hateful towards people like some of Nidars students have tried to make me out to be.

One thing I want to say to Nidar’s students who are very upset with this website is that, we setup this website in the true spirit of freedom of speech. I didn’t want to hurt their feelings but they can now have a feel of what everyone else feels looking at their website. Nidar’s website has been online for many years, and we are just trying to counter argue and challenge some of the concepts put forward, which we think, IN OUR OPINION, could mislead the youth . Nidar and his students up until now, have been very dismissive and offensive to people who choose to reject their snatan ways, laughing at us, calling us names, going out of their way to attend our camps and seminars to try to disrupt the parchaar we are doing to young kids.

His website does say that challenge us if you disagree and that is what we are doing. At least we have a comments section, his website has no feedback method whatsoever.

Many of his students say that what he does in his personal life doesn’t matter and we don’t really care but the parents of the kids who come and learn have a right to know where their children are going and what type of people they are hanging around with. I personally do not want my kids to go to learn from a teacher who teaches snatan ideology, and no matter what Nidars students say that is my god given right and I will have no shame in enforcing and promoting this viewpoint.

What shocks me most is that from all the emails messages comments from Nidar’s students none of them ever mention the  Guru or how Nidar has attributed the creation of the Khalsa to Devi in direct opposition to what Guru Gobind Singh Ji says in Bachittar Natak (please see previous post) The Nihang Singhs themselves are upset about this. When talking about the creation of the Khalsa why has he used ‘Khalsa Sudhar Tru’, Avtar Singh Vahiria printed in 1900 when we have a FIRST HAND SOURCE, the Guru himself has written everything in Bachittar Natak so why doesn’t Nidar use Gurbani?Guru Gobind Singh ji says that Akaal purkh asked him to come into this world and chalaa the teesar panth in direct contradiction to Nidars view.

because it goes against his Snatan views? (thats a question not a statement) I have also talked to his students who I don’t even think they have read Dasam Granth Bani or have fully read the website Shastarvidiya.org, as when questioned are sometimes perplexed and without words when asked about it.

One Shabad of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Pashahi smashes almost every page of his website

Why do you consider Shiva or Brahma as the Lord ? There is none amongst Ram, Krishna and Vishnu, who may be considered as the Lord of the Universe by you;

Relinquishing the One Lord, you remember many gods and goddesses; in this way you prove Shukdev, Prashar etc. as liars; all the so-called religions are hollow; I only accept the One Lord as the Providence.

Some wor­ship Brahma as God, oth­ers look upon Shiva as their Lord. Some describe Vishnu as the Lord of the world and coerce oth­ers to wor­ship him as they beleive by doing so all the sins are eliminated.

Con­sider this a thou­sand times, O fool! in the end all these (deit­ies) will aban­don you. Con­tem­plate Him in your mind, who was, now is and shall ever be in future.(16)

(Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Dasam Granth — 1544)

How come it hurts them so much when their gurdev Nidar or any of their students are mentioned or questioned yet none of them feel anything for the blatant misrepresentation of our Gurdev Guru Gobind Singh ji saying he worshipped deities. It’s like Nidars students don’t read any gurbani. Sri Dasam Granth by Guru Gobind Singh ji  Clearly states :

ਭਜੋਂ ਸੁ ਏਕ ਨਾਮਯੰ ॥ ਜੁ ਕਾਮ ਸਰਬ ਠਾਮਯੰ ॥
I recite only the Name of the Lord, which is use­ful at all places.

ਨ ਜਾਪ ਆਨ ਕੋ ਜਪੋ ॥ ਨ ਅਉਰ ਥਾਪਨਾ ਥਪੋ ॥੩੭॥
I do not med­it­ate on any­one else, nor do I seek assist­ance from any other quarter.37.

ਬਿਅੰਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਧਿਆਇ ਹੋਂ ॥ ਪਰਮ ਜੋਤਿ ਪਾਇ ਹੋਂ ॥
I recite infin­ite Names and attain the Supreme light.

(Guru Gobind Singh ji, 137 — Sri Dasam Granth)

Another thing that really surprises me and I think is totally unfair is that if Nidar can give criticism and ridicule the beliefs and shaheeds that we hold sacred such as Sant Jarnail Singh and Bhai Fauja Singh, then why do his students cry “unfair” “offensive” “biased” when we question their beliefs and character. If you give it then you have to be prepared to take it.

His website www.shastarvidiya.org continuously includes the words “Hindu-Sikh” and attributes them to people and texts that do not contain the phrase is not an accurate depiction of historical sources, it is a deliberate twisting to validate a snatan agenda.

Nidar also likes to attribute large portions of his ideology to “Oral History” – which cannot be used as primary source of information. If we look to the Nihang Singhs the Budha Dal where the oral history stems from, even they do not accept Nidars interpretation, so large amounts of his traditions attributed to “oral history” cannot be verified.

Remember no hatred or offense is meant by my efforts, I humbly aim to seek the truth and present it to the sangat for them to make their own mind up. When talking to my old friend and long time student of Nidar,  we agreed and disagreed on many things but ultimately we did not hate each other or attack each other in any way, we respected each others right to believe in what they believe, and we may get a bit passionate and heated in our conversations but we do not take it offensively. And in the end, without any hostility or contempt, in the spirit of a friend he told me to “do what you have to do”

I also have the right to share my findings as I believe parents have a right to know what their children will be taught when sending them to ANY educational organisation. I for one would not want my kids to go to a snatan ideology school. that is not offensive, that is my choice.

But if some parents are ok with it who am I to tell them otherwise, it is their freedom and right to do so. If Nidar’s students want to worship him I am not telling them to stop, you can carry on, if it makes you happy then don’t stop on my account. I beleive the truth will become apparent with time. I am just telling everyone else what the situation is because 99 percent of Sikhs will not agree with Nidars views and unfortunately that also includes the Nihangs.

Therefore the sangat will decide wether he is allowed into the gurdwaras and sikh institutions. The Sangat will also decide whether he is the Last Sikh Warrior on the planet.

One thought on “An Important Clarification from this website”

  1. Veerji, you shouldn’t be so worried about their feeling etc especially as you are conducting yourself in a perfectly appropriate manner. You aren’t making baseless accusations or slandering him, but stating facts from your incidents you have experienced or by stating beliefs and opinions Niddar openly has.

    Nothing should be above debate , and if a theory/belief/ideology is true and accurate it will withstand any scrutiny.

    I have come across hundreds of Sikhs unhappy about Niddars views and commend you for taking an active step I. correcting what you think is wrong.

    Gur Kirpa you continue your Morcha!

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